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Move on, movie theater naysayers

POSTED: May 16, 2008

I would like to comment on Jose Sanchez's recent letter pertaining to how long the new theater in downtown Williamsport will last before it’s turned into a bank or pharmacy? This theater has just opened its doors, how can you be so negative? Going to the movies is all about the experience. Buying the ticket, hearing the popcorn popping, watching the movie projected onto the big screen and sitting among people you don't know. It's what many consider a great American past time. So many people have be wanting this theater to happen in downtown; the central location is what makes this theater so appealing. Now is the time to support this new attraction in our great city. All the naysayers can say what they want; positive people will return again and again. Let's help downtown head in a new direction that will benefit all of us.

I don't feel like commuting 10 miles to see a movie and I shouldn't have to.

Shane C. Collins

Williamsport

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JohnHilfirty
05-18-08 3:48 PM
Meme2.... Just as NoBud was in error about the Amish not paying taxes, you are in error about renters not paying taxes. Where did you get that idea about renters?

Kelaine
05-18-08 11:01 AM
“Perhaps the Amish should also pay taxes or get off the road. They benefit from the infrastructure we maintain, yet don't contribute.”

Nobud74…The Amish do indeed pay taxes! They pay sales, income and property taxes – local, state and federal – just like we all do. If they are self-employed, they do not pay the social security tax. If they have a non-Amish employer, they do pay into social security. It is also important to note (whether they pay into it or not) that they never receive benefits from social security, unemployment or welfare.

nobud74
05-17-08 8:57 PM
Meme, there really is no reason to have tax exempt status. Most of what you say makes sense, but I am afraid that tolling all the highways could cripple an economy. But, here is a thought--why do we let those who pay no taxes due to religous reasons use our roads? Perhaps the Amish should also pay taxes or get off the road. They benefit from the infrastructure we maintain, yet don't contribute.

memememe2
05-17-08 2:39 PM
A proposed solution: stop all tax abatements of any sort, and force all establishments--all churches, mosques, synagogues, temples, non-profits, schools, academies, colleges, training institutes, and every other enterprise of any sort whatsoever--to pay taxes while instituting a payroll tax to force renters into the pay-as-you-go system and, finally, slap toll booths on all interstate highways.

spike1
05-17-08 7:18 AM
Let's re-appropriate all the money seized from drug dealers and use it to supplement school taxes and property taxes. We are already paying the police to apprehend the dealers. We are paying the District Attorney to prosecute and why not have a rotating Public Defender system like many other areas. We avoid health insurance, use of space and utilities and so on. The Movie Theater is a fine business bu the owner(s) should pay fair taxes as should both colleges. Donating a cruiser is not equal to the taxes that would be paid. These kids are not spending money here or we would have a downtown. Solutions anyone?

Spigotz
05-17-08 4:48 AM
If downtown were a human, you would be seeing a kidney, heart and lungs, transplant being placed into a dead body. It is time to harvest the viable parts - transplant those parts into another body that is still breathing, and hope the new organs are not rejected. Downtown is dead, kaput, nada. The stigma that surrounds downtown is undisputable. You have a mayor and council that play sissy games with each other, a police department that steals trucks and go fishing or permit a suspected dui to drive two miles through city streets, merchants that essentially cry the blues because no one patronizes them, impossible traffic patterns and inconvenient parking, streets that get rolled-up by 7 p.m., and a population of less than desirable folks that roam the alleyways or congregate on sidewalks. Shane, please, pick another cause to champion. Your patient is terminal, put it in hospice, console it until the end, and move on.

pepsi123
05-17-08 3:34 AM
BonScott- How in the world is the gov't preventing you from going out? Last time I checked this was America! Land of the free! The government isn't forcing you to do anything! The point of a movie theater is to GO OUT of your home. Of course you are going to spend more $$$ then you would buying 3 month old movies! Once again- it's going out, having a change of scenery! As for the gov't- this is a free county. Whether you choose to work in a factory for $8 an hour or you choose to work as an investment banker. That is your choose! Not the governments! RECOMMENDED READING- "Rich Dad, Poor Dad." and "The E-Myth."

nikkiUSA1
05-17-08 1:41 AM
i will give it a couple of years before it tanks.i still might go see 'bowling for columbine' or 'farenheit 9/11' or 'a inconvient truth' on the big screen before the theater closes its doors and makes room for project housing.

nikkiUSA1
05-17-08 1:36 AM
i used to be a democrat before i met hilflirty on this forum...now im a independent.

nikkiUSA1
05-17-08 1:35 AM
crack and guns..lol..thats a good one!i lived out in the country most my life and my brother has several cabins up in pine creek where he hunts and fishes.i been with rural people and i have been with urban people.im a very diverse person.

JohnHilfirty
05-17-08 1:34 AM
Shane: Maybe tomorrow I can give you a few more ideas about what I think the problem is in Williamsport.

Just things for you to consider, or comment on. For tonight, I'm gonna "head for the playpen, kick off the ground pads, and get some zzz's."

(Old hippie talk !) Have a good night! :^))

JohnHilfirty
05-17-08 1:29 AM
Shane, Yes you did. I saw the post about Wilkes Barre. It is an ongoing project. Yes there has been some improvement, but it is far from a success story at this time. It is not good for a comparison to Williamsport however. It has 50% more population for one thing. And it is surrounded by moderately populated areas.

When comparing cities, the comparison should be by metropolic areas. (Clusters of like areas.)

I studied Bloomsburg's project Main Street in the 80's, and it's effects and results. And I worked with various people who were experts in revitalization. It's a fascinating field.

I don't see it happening here, mainly because downtown was killed by a group of businessmen who controlled this city for many years. The development to the east is the result.

Greed was the cause of what is left.

Until the financial base changes, new businesses will just kill the old ones, as Wal-Mart is doing to K-Mart, right now.

shane3232
05-17-08 1:15 AM
Thank you John for the nice comments and I respect your view points. Life is good when we all have the chance to let our ideas flow. I guess that I defend the things in life that make me happy and I long for the days from my childhood in the late 70's, downtown certaintly was fun in those days and even before that I'm sure. I realize it will probably never be like that again but we can atleast try to keep some of that a live and well. Time will tell John. :)

shane3232
05-17-08 1:11 AM
John I answered your question in one of the other letters, forget which. I will post my response here for you. I believe a great example is Wilkes-barre, they have a thriving dowtown that started with projects like a Cinema Center. So there you have it. I think downtown Wmspt will be just fine. We already have many great places to visit. I had a great fish and chip dinner at the Bull Frog tonight, a favorite hang out for many. The Frog is hip, fun and lively.

JohnHilfirty
05-17-08 1:11 AM
Keep up the efforts, Shane. Don't let disappointment kill your spirit.

And I would love for you to prove me wrong about the downtown area. It's something that I would much rather be wrong about !!

Oh yes..... enjoy the theatre !!

JohnHilfirty
05-17-08 1:07 AM
>>>>> continued >>>>>

Shane:

I don't hold that against you. Many people do the same thing. But my experience and knowledge from being involved locally for many years tell me that the downtown are will never be a bustling retail center again. It would be nice, but it just isn't gonna happen. It's been tried all over the country, and has rarely been successful, for a variety of reasons.

You sound like a nice young man, Shane. You do have an energy about you that is admireable. The area needs young people like you to grab the reins and try to make it a better place to live. Just keep in mind that some things can't be changed.

I had envisioned a ski resort on the mountain south of S. Williamsport as a project, but found no interest.

I also wondered about a hydro****project on the river, for generating power.

And when we suffered through severe droughts some years back, I wondered about the river and why it couldn't be used to some advantage.

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JohnHilfirty
05-17-08 12:55 AM
Shane: I said what I said because somebody got a giveaway from the taxpayers pockets. Whoever negotiated the deal for the theatre should be tarred and feathered. But it's too late to worry about that now. We have a new mayor, so Mary Wolf can't do that to us again. (I had worked hard to get her elected, and she screwed me, so this time I worked hard to get her defeated. I feel confident that I took enough votes away from her to cause her loss. Ahh yes, the power of the vote!)

I don't use the theatre, but I have nothing against it either. Better than an empty block of buildings!

Do I believe that downtown can be revitalized? No. I asked you a week ago to tell me what cities you were talking about when you said that there were 'lot's of examples of successful revitalization in cities comparable to Williamsport.' It turned out that you were just making that up. You didn't know of any!

>>>>> continued >>>>>

Snoopycat
05-16-08 9:45 PM
I hope that the new theater in downtown Wiliamsport is a success. I admit that I have not lived in down town Williamsport for many years. I did graduate from the old school of W.A.C.C. Back in 1976. I then moved back into the area and had to use the public transportation system in 1982. In 1982 there was not a whole lot going on. Judging by the comments I am reading now. Things seem to be doing better.

localhero
05-16-08 8:13 PM
Hilfirty thinks he knows who I am but he doesn't. And yes, a good solid buzz in the woods is preferable to a hangover. You have to get up and get to your tree stand before the hangover kicks in. Best way to do that is to stay drunk. This is rural PA, guns and alcohol are like peanut butter and jelly. Sort of like Crack and guns in the city. At least I have a liscense to carry my rifle.

nobud74
05-16-08 7:56 PM
It is a start and hopefully it will help feed the desire to revitalize the downtown. It is all a big puzzle and as you put pieces in the whole gets better.

shane3232
05-16-08 7:36 PM
JohnHilfirty Wrote: I'm not saying the theatre is or is not a good addition to Williamsport. I'm asking why the low rental rate to benefit a businessman.

Because it helps to bring them into the central business district. Ok I will agree some what that the rental rate could be better but at this point John the theater is built and doing well so that's what counts presently.

shane3232
05-16-08 7:32 PM
Sorry for all the grammar mistakes I need to prove read more LOL.

shane3232
05-16-08 7:31 PM
John I don't need to movie closer to the theater at the mall because I already live by the one in downtown. I like Wmspt better than the area near the mall. I'm not much for farm land areas anyways. I have everything I need within 5 miles of my home. From downtown Wmspt to the Golden Strip I am just fine. Thanks for your concern though. By the way drove by the new theater twice today while shopping, and both times the parking areas were full. Maybe by letter's have an effect, LOL. Well I hope so.

JohnHilfirty
05-16-08 5:40 PM
Something that Shane Collins said just jumped out at me and struck a sour note ....

"I don't feel like commuting 10 miles to see a movie and I shouldn't have to."

Shane, you are right, you shouldn't have to, and you don't have to. Anyone certainly has the option of moving closer to a multi-screen theatre complex if you so desire.

But I would like to know why you seem to feel that all of the taxpayers of Williamsport are obliged to pay taxes, which the city then uses to buy the ground for a movie theatre that will be leased to someone for a tiny percentage of what it should lease for, to operate for a personal profit, and which many of those taxpayers cannot afford to use, or have no interest in using.

I'm not saying the theatre is or is not a good addition to Williamsport. I'm asking why the low rental rate to benefit a businessman.

misskitty
05-16-08 5:17 PM
i don't understand how people can be so negative. my husband and i are currently living out of the area, but are so excited to get back to billtown. there are so many GREAT things happening there. i know some one is going to post something about crime and ask me how great that is. here is my answer there is crime EVERYWHERE. the criminals WANT you to stay at home. can't wait to get back and see how much the area has grown!

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