Satan is winning
In regards to Mr. Charlie Young’s letter titled Wake Up America, hasn't anyone noticed satan is winning? I am not the best christian by far but any one can see this.
Kathleen A. Spotts
Williamsport
Submitted by Virtual Newsroom
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 4:46 PM
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Because scripture teaches there would be no more prophets. Without naming names or picking our specific "religions", which is forbidden, nearly all "Churches" there were founded by "Modern Day Prophets" are in eroor. They are in the same category as those that believe in the "Rapture" which was started in the 1830's by a mentall ill woman whom, in the middle of a seizure, spoke of things that two, "Pastors", thought meant that Christ would come first, (meaning the seventh trumph came before the sixt), and basically started a "Religion" out of it that continues to this very day.
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godcountryfamily
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05-16-08 4:44 PM
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Doc, you are correct in that satan did beguile, tempt, Eve. What you are not telling is that he told Eve when she told him that God had told them not to eat of the fruit of the tree, or they would die (meaning spiritually) he responded, "Surely ye will not die."
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 4:42 PM
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This is why so many churches deceive those looking to know God. Because of translation & transliteration errors caused by those scribes whom did the copying of the Mossarah.
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godcountryfamily
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05-16-08 4:41 PM
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"But as far as religions go, I don't know of anything to be true. Why is it simple for you? Why do you believe the Bible and not the Qur'an?" Kelaine, first and foremost, whether it be the Qur'an or any other man inspired book, once man becomes part of the equation of inspiration, there is much room for error. Please note that I said man-inspired, and not God inspired. Secondly, the Bible has been proven over and over and over again in it's veracity, both from a historical review and substantiation and from its own study and time line. Kelaine, people don't read the Bible usually because it reads them. Also, people don't read the Bible based on the premise that 'It's too hard to read" as opposed to it's hardly read.
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 4:40 PM
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godcountryfamily: You are wrong. Satan "beguilled" Eve. Do you know what the termology or Hebrew figure of speech for beguilled is?
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godcountryfamily
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05-16-08 4:31 PM
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Anna, be very careful.......Doc is serving you 'new age" ideology.
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godcountryfamily
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05-16-08 4:30 PM
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Doc, Anna is only going to be more confused with your false doctrine. I don't mean to be rude to you, but I would hate to see her perhaps in genuine inquiry only to be deceived. There is a literal*****and a literal satan. Thus, there is a Holy God and one of those periods you are about to tell her, please elaborate about the great white throne judgement.
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 4:29 PM
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Anna77: What one does on their, "Death Bed", as you put it has absolutely nothing to do with happens later. Everyone, and I do mean everyone, with one exception, will have the chance to learn about God. God created Man for his enjoyment and to allow us to enjoy his most favorite place in all the universe(s), Earth. Although man did displease him so much that at one point he regretted creating us, he allowed us to remain when he destroyed the Nephillum and the Geber.
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godcountryfamily
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05-16-08 4:27 PM
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to attempt to answer any questions you may have about the Bible, but I will only use the Bible to reply. I won't go on personal reflection or interpretation. You asked about truth, if I interjected with my personal opinion, my information becomes subjective, thus leaving room for untruths.
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godcountryfamily
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05-16-08 4:25 PM
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Doc, satan was not condemned because he left heaven. he was kicked out of heaven because he wanted to be like the "Most High". Please don't give these persons who are asking legitimate questions, these heresy statements. satan does not have a wife, he was the highest angel at one time. correctly, he also took one third of heaven's angels with him when he was kicked out. There is no other father to Cain or Abel. As for sacrifices, the first blood sacrifice was not when Cain slew Abel. The actual first shedding of blood in the book of Genesis was when God made the skins from animals to cover Adam and Eve's nakedness. He killed animals to cover essentially their shame, i.e., the first sacrifice of blood to cover sin. Evil, doc is not dogma, but it is misleading persons about unScriptural truths. You have been told many, and apparently, you believe them enough to repeat them. Kelaine, as I remarked before in one of my posts to either you or to Chris, I would be glad
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 4:25 PM
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Anna77: You are totally, and I do mean totally confused. Let me try to ascertain what you do know, if you don't mind. Are you familiar with the three earth ages? Do you know what age we are in? Are you familiar with the millenium?
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Anna77
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05-16-08 4:09 PM
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DocBob: I am a non believer on track to getting "blotted" out of the book... but someone like Hitler would NOT be "blotted" out of the book if he became a believer on his deathbed? So no one would remember ME but they would remember HITLER??
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 2:09 PM
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Moreover, we have in these mighty men, the “men of renown”, the explanation of the origin of the Greek mythology. That mythology was no mere invention of the human brain, but it grew out of the traditions, and memories, and legends of the doings of that mighty race of beings; and was gradually evolved out of the “heroes” of Gen. 6. 4. The fact that they were supernatural in their origin formed an easy step to their being regarded as the demi-gods of the Greeks. Thus the Babylonian “Creation Tablets”, the Egyptian “Book of the Dead”, the Greek mythology, and heathen Cosmogonies, which by some are set on an equality with Scripture, or by others adduced in support of it, are all the corruption and perversion of primitive truths, distorted in proportion as their origin was forgotten, and their memories faded away.
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 2:08 PM
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Their strength is seen in “the giant cities of Bashan” to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem. Araba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by the Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Num. 13. 22. If these Nephilim, and their branch of Rephaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in “the giant cities of Bashan” which exist, as such, to this day?
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 2:07 PM
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It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen. 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently “Ashtaroth Karnaim”; while the Enim were in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen. 14. 5).
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 2:07 PM
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As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen. 12. 6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated: “The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land.” And in Gen. 14. 5 they were already known as “Rephaim” and “Emin”, and had established themselves at Ashteroth Karnaim and Shaveh Kirathaim. In ch. 15. 18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples: “Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hitties, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites” (Gen. 15. 19-21; cp. Ex. 3. 8, 17; 23. 23. Deut. 7; 20. 17. Josh. 12. 8. These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut. 20. 17. Josh. 3. 10). But Israel failed in this (Josh. 13. 13; 15. 63; 16. 10; 17. 18. Judg. 1. 19, 20, 28, 29, 30-36; 2. 1-5; 3. 1-7); and we know not how many got away to other countries to es
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 2:05 PM
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The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Gen. 6 and Ap. 23) are called in Gen. 6, Nephilim, which means fallen ones (from napal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from the scriptures. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race., and for the faithfulness of Jehovah’s Word (Gen. 3. 15). This is why the Flood was brought “upon the world of the ungodly” (2 Pet. 2. 5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14). But we read of the Nephilim again in Num. 13. 33: “there were Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim. How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen. 6. 4, where we read: “They were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, an
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 2:04 PM
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God did not "allow" Satan to exist, he created him. Satan was an Angel. He was condemmed to die for leaving his heavenly habitation along with the 1/3 of Angels, took women for wifes and that is where the Geber came from.
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Doc7Bob
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05-16-08 2:03 PM
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Christ gave his life so we would not have to sacrifice and die. His death on the cross put an end to blood sacrifices. It also meant we do not have to die. i.e. blotted out, never existed. Satan was the father of Cain. "Eve continued in birth, i.e. twins. Matthew, (Christ speaking of Cain), you are like your father, Satan.
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ChrisHarris
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05-16-08 1:33 PM
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.....actually happened.
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ChrisHarris
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05-16-08 1:22 PM
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"Chris, God created h e l l for the devil and his angels, not for man. It wasn't until man fell, that h e l l became punishment." Ok, so back up even further. Why does God allow Satan to exist? Why was Man allowed to "fall" at all? Why does blood have to be spilled to capitulate God, whether it be a goat's, Abraham's son's, or Jesus'? You see where I'm going. There are so many fundamental questions that go unanswered. "Chris, you sound far too intelligent to not do a study, objectively (since science is your caveat) of the Bible. Either it is all true, or it is all false. There are no choices." I agree completely. How can you ask me to believe that Noah's Ark or the Tower of Babel are factual history? They're both absolutely ludicrous stories. Imagine for a second that I'm someone who never heard of Christianity or any other religion. You hand me a Bible and I read it. All of it. What valid reason do I have for believing that it all actually
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divedsl
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05-16-08 1:00 PM
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GCF-- I agree I've read and reread and have done so from King James, NIV, and the Rev Standard and I cann't find a mention of this either.( this = Adam & Cain different fathers different men).
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Kelaine
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05-16-08 12:35 PM
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Wow...great conversation! gcf...You asked me what I know to be true. Of course, we could get very philosophical about such a question. I could start answering you by saying a variety of things such as....I know the earth is round and revolves around the sun, I know my daughter is my biological child, I know my yard is overrun with dandelions....etc... But as far as religions go, I don't know of anything to be true. Why is it simple for you? Why do you believe the Bible and not the Qur'an?
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godcountryfamily
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05-16-08 11:05 AM
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Chris, if you spent as much time refuting the truth of the Bible in proving it to be truth, you would come up with no other explanation that the veracity of it. But, it is easier, as you put it, to debate the literal existence of a God, than to simply by faith believe in Him.
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godcountryfamily
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05-16-08 11:02 AM
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Chris, God created h e l l for the devil and his angels, not for man. It wasn't until man fell, that h e l l became punishment. Chris, you sound far too intelligent to not do a study, objectively (since science is your caveat) of the Bible. Either it is all true, or it is all false. There are no choices.
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